Yuteh Private Bilingual School in Tucheng (裕德雙語小學)

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Yuteh Private Bilingual School in Tucheng (裕德雙語小學)

Postby maoman » Mon Jul 29, 2013 00:09

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There's been a fair bit of talk about this place on Facebook lately. If you have direct experience with the school, please share with the rest of us. :bow:
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School (裕德雙語小學)

Postby Jaboney » Mon Jul 29, 2013 00:30

maoman wrote:There's been a fair bit of talk about this place on Facebook lately.

Errr... that's not exactly in the running for Most Informative Post Ever.
What's the scuttlebutt about? Care to at least minimally characterize?

It'd be nice to have some idea whether the information might be relevant/ interesting/ of concern before poking around.
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School (裕德雙語小學)

Postby maoman » Mon Jul 29, 2013 00:35

Jaboney wrote:
maoman wrote:There's been a fair bit of talk about this place on Facebook lately.

Errr... that's not exactly in the running for Most Informative Post Ever.
What's the scuttlebutt about? Care to at least minimally characterize?

It'd be nice to have some idea whether the information might be relevant/ interesting/ of concern before poking around.

Pretty horrific administration, bad working conditions, the usual. But I'd rather have people with direct experience post about it themselves. I don't want to colour the situation too much.
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School (裕德雙語小學)

Postby Jaboney » Mon Jul 29, 2013 00:40

Thanks.
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School (裕德雙語小學)

Postby YUTEH2010 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 08:14

This is a warning to all new teachers about “X” Private School in Tucheng. Yes, the school is shiny and new and has a large impressive campus as it should considering it was only finished during the summer of 2010. However, don’t let this first appearance fool you, if you take a closer look you will see the school has cracked walls and ceilings, missing tiles, nails and bare wires poking out of the walls and most people’s favourite the numerous mistakes on the elevator signs. Pretty much every elevator sign has a mistake including gems such as “Po tery studio”, “Engrish Learning Zone” and “1nd”, can you find them all? The school’s location is also a problem, as it is sandwiched between the MRT depot, a bus station, a furniture factory and the crowning glory a SEWAGE PLANT. Being next door to the sewage plant means the school has become infested by rats, don’t be surprised to come in and see rat crap and urine on your desk. It happens so often it will become a part of your daily routine. Also, the school is visited by cockroaches and ants frequently. So enjoy the wildlife while you work. Also, it is not a few minutes walk from the MRT like the school suggests. From HaiShan MRT you are looking at a good 40 minute walk and from Tucheng at least 20 minutes depending on how fast you walk. The school does provide a bus service in the morning but you will need to be at HaiShan MRT around 7 o’clock and you will sit on the bus for about an hour travelling around as they collect the students. The afternoon bus service is handy as it will leave at 4:35. If you decide to drive to work like most, be very careful as the school has a stupid system of letting parents drop their kids off near the front gate which is closed and teachers need to drive past and enter the school from the rear gate which is a single lane and has a blind corner so you cannot see if another vehicle is exiting. What makes matters worse; most parents will pull out without signalling and will cut you off. If you sound your horn or show any frustration towards the parents’ poor driving skills, the school will use this against you! The school would prefer that the teacher crashes rather than annoy the parents, as the parents will complain. On rainy days, you will experience the joys of entering the front gate and the parents will exit using the rear gate. A perfect circular system, everyone enters at the same place and some will turn left to exit the school and others will turn right to go to the school’s parking. The school refuses to adopt this system for everyday use for various reasons which sometimes contradict each other. Why does all this matter? It just shows you that the school doesn’t really care about the standard of English provided as long as the kids all get good grades regardless of whether they are learning or not and it also shows the school respects the parents more than their teachers and this is a very dangerous thing. The role of an English teacher is very varied not only will you teach between 20-24 periods a week, you will also have telephone teaching, break duties, serve food to the students at lunch, be responsible for maintaining a class website, daily communication book checks, creating your own teaching material and other administration tasks plus various unpaid over-time work (about 6 events for a native English teacher and 12 events for a Chinese teacher). The administration tasks include creating the curriculum, worksheets, tests, audio files, updating your class website and keeping student score records. The school doesn’t have a standard and you will be given the work left by the previous teacher, so some grades will have everything and others will have next to nothing. You will grow to hate student score keeping as not only do you complete the English spread sheets, you will also have to complete the Chinese system spread sheet! Why does the school have so many Chinese administrators when English teachers are doing their work? When it comes to student scores, the school wants every child to receive at least 70% and if they don’t this will reflect badly on you as you made the test too hard, not that the child didn’t study and couldn’t give a monkey’s. The school has a policy of accepting anyone who is willing to pay. Teachers have failed students when they did their entrance exam and have also red flagged students due to poor behaviour but the school ignores this and accepts them anyway. The school has a high number of students with educational problems, it is disproportionately high. It is a running joke that the school should be renamed “X” Special School as the number of students with behavioural, mental or educational problems is higher than average. Despite the students’ ability or lack of, it is the teacher’s fault if any student fails in their class. So most teachers will either give bonus points on tests such as for corrections after the test or will just make up scores ensuring that every child passes. If you give true low scores you will not only be questioned by your supervisors as to why the scores are so low but also when a parent complains you will have a black mark against your name and will have to somehow give the student in question a chance to make up, such as resitting the test. To save yourself from this headache most teachers just fudge the scores. English teachers had their own classrooms during the first and second years, but during the second year the school’s electricity bill was too high for their liking so the school informed teachers that they could only use the AC if the temperature was 28C or above. This was largely ignored by the teachers and as a result the third year saw the introduction of shared classrooms, where a Chinese and English teacher would both be homeroom teachers. However, the English teacher would need to change classrooms whenever they had to teach another class, even if it meant English teachers swapping classrooms to teach the same grade at the same time. If you think the idea of having “compensation” time for working Saturdays and other over-time duties is pretty good, then you have been duped. It is not compensation time as you still have to pay for a sub or re-arrange your classes. This compensation is merely the permission to have time off if it fits into your schedule. One teacher could only take half a Thursday afternoon off if he didn’t want to find a sub, not really compensation for working a Saturday morning but the school doesn’t care as it is what’s best for the school not the teacher. This is an important fact to remember the school will never act in the interests of the teachers; it will look after itself and will basically fire teachers that question its authority. That is why the school is a revolving door when it comes to teachers, during the first year over half the DFL left mainly Chinese English teachers, the second year a third of teachers left a mix between native and Chinese English teachers and the third year about three quarters of the DFL left mostly native English teachers. This situation doesn’t look like it will end as the school administration, especially the principal have quite racist views. One teacher was talking to the dean of students about Taiwanese Aborigines and the dean of students remarked “I can’t remember what tribe it was, but it doesn’t matter as they are all the same.” The principal stated during a meeting with the English teachers that Mainland Chinese are stupid and rude as they don’t know how to line up and are very dirty. He also said that hiring “foreign teachers” isn’t his idea as “they” are expensive and cause trouble. For a principal who is supposed to have a Ph.D. his level of ignorance is quite shocking. During one of the meetings the DFL had with the principal, he just got up and walked out without even acknowledging or telling anyone that he was leaving, basically native English teachers are an unwanted necessity and he doesn’t respect them at all. If they didn’t make the school money the school wouldn’t hire native English teachers. Another example of his “brilliance” after he watched the students’ Mother’s Day rehearsal he told all the students that their shows were boring and essentially that they were crap. Many children cried as they had done their best but because the shows were in English and the “educated” man couldn’t understand what was going on decided to criticise the children’s performance. How does he think native English teachers feel having to attend Chinese assemblies every week? But at least they have the politeness and manners not to criticise them. The principal also makes grand promises and lies to parents without any basis or knowledge; he has stated that the school uses special chalk from Japan that is made from seashells so it has less dust and that the water in the drinking fountains is “magic water” so will improve concentration and brain activity. He also told the parents that their children will know 10,000 words by the time they leave the school after being there from the first grade. He makes promises to the parents, some of which are completely outrageous and just an extra burden for the teachers without adding anything meaningful. During the first year, one parent wanted telephone teaching as that is what happens at the buxiban they send their child. The school being a parent pleaser jumped up and down and said that it would introduce telephone teaching. At the time the class sizes were small with about only 10 students, so only one teacher objected to doing the telephone teaching and the others said it wasn’t a problem. The school wouldn’t pay the teachers for doing telephone teaching despite it being over-time work and not in the contract, but would pay 500NT to cover the cost of the calls. The one teacher refused to do telephone teaching for free and the English supervisor privately compensated him. The real kick in the teeth is that the parent whom wanted telephone teaching transferred their child out before the teachers did any telephone teaching but the principal had already told the other parents about it, so it had already became official so there IS no chance it will ever be removed. One of the native English teachers didn’t like living in Taiwan, this being his first year in the country, so he did the honest thing and told the school in March that he wasn’t going to re-sign. He had a verbal agreement in place from the first semester that he would sub the winter camp classes of an American teacher so she could go back home during the break and she would sub his summer camp classes so he could attend two family weddings that were that summer. This was all approved and he duly covered the winter camp classes but after he informed the school of his decision to leave, the school said it was impossible for him to have summer camp off and he would need to teach those two weeks. The remaining months that he worked there, the school made his life a living hell, giving him extra administration work, teaching more classes and not giving him important notices so he would appear incompetent. He ended up breaking the contract early due to those two weeks of summer camp thus he didn’t get his paid holiday or his airplane ticket money refunded. The return ticket clause has since been removed from the contract. The second year contract was changed to include telephone teaching as part of the duties and the school provided Skype accounts in order for teachers to make the calls. Now the classes had swelled to about 20 students and over half the English teachers complained about not being paid for doing telephone teaching, the school’s response was that it is in your contract and a vital part of teaching. What the school failed to acknowledge was the fact the contract also states that over-time work is compensated. This was the first instance of the school selectively following their own contract. The school hired their first Asian native English speaker in the second year and made this teacher’s life hell, she had to do all the duties of a native English teacher plus all the duties of a Chinese English teacher. She was treated very poorly, in some ways even worse than the other teacher from the first year as when she signed the contract she had told the school she was going aboard in November to attend a friend’s wedding, which was accepted but meant she would exceed her 14 day personal and sick leave limit. So, whenever this teacher had a sick day, she lost 3,000NT a day regardless of how many classes she had that day. This teacher left near the end of the second semester as she was very unhappy and was actually losing money working at the school due to travel costs (having to attend 12 Saturday sessions without pay) and having to pay 3 thousand for every sick leave. Mid-way through the second year a teacher needed a pace-maker and had about a month off. The school paid this teacher in full whilst he was absent despite exceeding the 14 day limit as the other teachers lobbied on his behalf, but this lead to changes to the third year contract. During the first two years the school didn’t deduct any money for sick leave as long as either you re-arranged the class or there was a teacher available to cover for you if you were within the 14 day limit. The third year contract now stipulated that the teacher would have to pay for the sub to cover their classes plus if you were beyond the 14 day limit the school would also deduct 3,000NT a day. During the first semester a teacher got cancer and needed an operation, this teacher was absent for almost two months and whilst he was away, once he exceeded the 14 day limit he had to pay 3,000NT a day whilst he was in the hospital and 3,000NT plus any sub fees when he was at home recovering. He argued about this and the school said whilst he was in hospital during the 14 day limit, the school didn’t charge him for a sub to cover his classes which they could have done, so he should be grateful. Around the same time a teacher was about to have a child. This teacher informed the school about the future birth of his child 3 months before the due date and the fact that according to the contract he could take one week off in total for pre-natal care (2 days) and maternity caring leave (3 days). The school seemed fine with this and nothing was mentioned to the teacher until the week before the expected birth. The school stated that the teacher could only take 3 days off as the 2 day pre-natal care was only for female employees despite that fact not being mentioned in the contract and the contract just stating “pre-natal care” with no mention that it didn’t apply to male employees. The school stated that it may be written this way in the contract but under the labour law a male employee is only entitled to 3 days off. The school ignored their own contract and cited labour laws despite the fact the majority of the contract goes against many basics of the labour laws that protect every worker. The teacher in question only had the 3 days off and to rub salt into the wounds, the two days he wanted to take off but wasn’t allowed, he didn’t have to teach any lessons. The one day the fire service came and he just stood there watching the students practice fire safety, having no interaction. He was merely there for the sake of being there as it was his scheduled lesson time. The other day was a Chinese performance rehearsal, so again he was just observing the students whilst having no interaction. Considering this, why didn’t the school just let the teacher have those 2 extra days off or why didn’t the school communicate with the teacher before hand to discuss this issue? The simple answer is that the school doesn’t care, teachers are not people: teachers are simply property of the school and should do what they are told. The third year was an eventful one, right at the beginning of the year the new grade five students took an instant dislike to their new Chinese homeroom teacher despite the fact she was a good teacher. One student took a particular dislike to her and told lies to his parents. The parents whipped up a frenzy among other parents of grade 5 and they demanded a meeting with the principal. The principal during the meeting said that the parents had the option to replace the teacher if they wanted to. The parents had another meeting with the principal and they had decided they wanted a new Chinese homeroom teacher. The teacher wanted to leave the school but was told that she couldn’t and placed her in the library for the remainder of her contract. The teacher was replaced due to parent power! The school has never defended their teachers. During previous years there have been cases of students telling lies to their parents and the parents phone the school to complain. This being a parent-pleasing school; the administration and supervisors never actually ask the teachers about what happened and takes the side of the parents automatically. There were many instances of students lying in the second year about hitting and verbal abuse none of which were true and when the teachers in question were told about the accusations, were shocked and one even thought about quitting right there and then as she didn’t want to be in a school that offered no support or protection to their teachers. However, the Chinese homeroom teacher in grade 4 during the third year actually hit students and occasionally even with sticks. Many teachers witnessed him hitting and verbally abusing students, the English homeroom teacher was so uncomfortable being in the same classroom whilst this was happening she moved to a new classroom. This Chinese homeroom teacher and the administrator/Chinese science even tied up one of the students and to try to excuse their actions after a student saw what they did, told the entire class that this particular child had mental issues and had the maturity of a first grader and that it was the only way to control him. The English teachers brought up this issue with their supervisor but nothing was done and actually the Chinese teachers involved in this abuse were given new contracts. So, Chinese teachers that abused students were rewarded new contracts but three English teachers that were good teachers and liked by both students and parents were not. The reason behind this decision was that these teachers would voice their opinion during meetings, although the school would never admit to this and gave each teacher complete nonsense as to why. One teacher was told that one of the reasons he was being let go was that he never waved or said hello to parents when he came to school, this teacher drove to school so couldn’t. These teachers offered constructive advice such as saying the school should use the circular system for when parents drop off their children. But this is a school that doesn’t want teachers’ opinions; teachers should teach and follow blindly to what the school wants, not question its decisions! The school informed the English teachers involved 5 weeks prior to the end of the contract despite the contract stating it should be 7 weeks. The school tried to argue that because the teachers were due to receive holiday pay for July, these days were counted as part of the 7 weeks. The teachers rejected this notion and said the holiday pay and renewal of contract were separate issues and should not be considered the same. The school then ignored their own contract again and said to the teachers, that according to the labour laws they only needed to give 2 weeks notice and that the school wasn’t willing to discuss this issue anymore. The three teachers took their complaint to the council of labour affairs and successfully sued the school for 2 weeks compensation, what the teachers wanted. The events of the third year have now been reflected in the fourth year contract. New teachers are not guaranteed 15 days paid holiday, if a first year teacher doesn’t have their contract renewed the amount payable will be decided by the number of days the teacher worked divided by twelve. This is despite the fact the contract is only for 11 months. This is a way for the school to save money as they won’t need to pay the full 15 days even if a new teacher is never absent. About the renewal of the contract the school has changed the wording stating that teachers will be informed 7 weeks prior to the end of the contract and if they are not informed, it is notice that the contract will not be renewed. Also, the school has added more details and restrictions about their leave policies; including that pre-natal leave is only for female teachers. To sum up, you are a teacher: turn up, teach, keep your mouth shut, make sure parents are happy and then go home. If you don’t like it, then leave. If you enjoy break duties, telephone teaching, endless Saturday work, serving food at lunch, doing endless administration, non-existent compensation and job insecurity, “X” is the school for you!
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School (裕德雙語小學)

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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School (裕德雙語小學)

Postby Remybit » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:06

This year, they did go to Brisbane. The pictures on their Facebook page show them in the airport.


I can vouch for the story from YUTEH2010.

One fun little anecdote about the electricity and air conditioning: We had it on because it was hot. One day, we came into the teacher's lounge (a white room with desks that slowly became less and less as they were taken from us and not appliances) and found that the air con remote was gone. We later found that it was taken because the air con was being used "too much" in that room. Instead of speaking with us, they just came and took the remote, thinking that nobody could reach the unit.

I do not want to read the wall of text again for specific information, but it was quite accurate. I also do not remember if it mentioned it, but it was something like eight or nine teachers who did not return, either by being "let go" or leaving because of the environment, for the 2013-2014 school year. It seems that the turn-over rate has been increasing yearly. This does not include Chinese Department teachers or administrative staff who left.

Some other information:

2nd grade: There were two students who constantly got in trouble and one of the female teachers was always seen in the hall scolding them for their behavior. These students were always sent to the 1st floor to see the events coordinator (she has other duties, but her main duty was coordinating all events and activities). She never did anything beyond tell them not to do it again.

This shows one of the problems in structure, because the discipline hierarchy goes: teacher > events coordinator > councilor. We are not supposed to send students to the principal, who does not want to see them.

Another student broke off a branch from a tree and hit another, but he was just scolded by the same coordinator and sent back to class. Nothing else was seen from it.

4th grade: It was stated, but should be given emphasis that a student who is mentally challenged had his hands tied by a teacher and was then ridiculed by her and another Chinese teacher. Belittling the student in front of the whole class did happen, and the teachers were not disciplined. In fact, two of the first teachers to receive a renewed contract were the ones that abused the student.

The classroom was constantly dirty, which was no fault of the teachers. It was in need of professional cleaning, like a lot of the school, but they only have two custodians for the entire school, and they never clean the floors of the classrooms. I can understand why, as they are severely overworked.

General: Along these same lines, they had one of the people hired as a bus driver and assistant cutting the grass with a lawnmower; the school let it grow to the point of being about 15cm tall and decided it needed to be mowed after it rained. That poor man tried to do it and failed. The next day, when it was about 38-degrees outside, they had him out there doing it again, for HOURS! They could afford a professional crew to come in and do it, or to get a riding mower to actually get the work done in a reasonable period of time, or at the very least have had him do it when the grass was manageable.

5th grade: The story about the Chinese homeroom teacher was true. Worse still, towards the end of the year, they were having this same teacher, who had been relegated to the library, covering a lot of the 5th grade classes for some reason. She was also allowed to sub for the 3rd grade teacher (who was out having a baby). So, why is it that if she was good enough to long-term sub for teachers that she was mistreated so much? She was scolded for her work in allowing teachers access to the auditorium for their Mother's Day Performance practices (even though she had no knowledge of soundboards, lighting, or auditorium management). She was scolded for being too strict, not strict enough, not giving enough homework, and then for giving too much. She was belittled in front of student by the head of the administrative staff, and by this I mean she was yelled at and negatively spoken to.

6th grade: An example of the school's lying comes from a magazine article written about the school. They stated that one of the 6th grade students, who is fluent in English, became fluent through the school. Actually, she came to the school already knowing English and needing help in Chinese. The school took credit for something they did not do. When it came to helping her with Chinese, though, there was no wiggle-room and she was given low grades, even though they knew of her situation. After about two months of trying, this student finally received remedial assistance in Chinese and no longer had to take classes that were obviously too difficult.

An example of the school's lack of communication is that the English homeroom teacher was not informed that the class would be going to Japan, nor was he invited on their trip. It turns out he was told a week before they went. The Chinese homeroom teacher and events coordinator went, though. Even though trips were supposed to have someone fluent in Chinese and someone fluent in English, two Chinese speakers ended up going and the English teacher was left to sit in his classroom for a week (he just needed to be there for his classes that he couldn't teach because the students were in Japan).

7th grade: The 7th grade teacher, who is from Taiwan, is also one of the oldest teachers. Because of this, she carries with her values from yesteryear. Some of her disciplinary tactics were cutting students' hair against their will (if she deemed it too long or messy) and charging them money for missing homework or swearing. She got around just taking their money by charging nt$10 for a mask they had to wear every time they swore (sometimes a student could be seen wearing multiple masks, I once saw four on a student), which netted her quite the profit. I am not sure how she got around charging for missed homework.

Principal: Everything said about this man's childish and negligent behavior was true. Further, when he had meetings with the teachers who were not having their contracts renewed, he threatened them with the potential need to go to court (which they were fine with) and false contract and law claims. No reasons were given as to why these teachers were let go, besides his verbal evidence that was obviously fabricated, as it was the same for each teacher in each meeting (with no detail).

His mind is his mind and he cannot be persuaded to change it, logic be damned.


There is much, much more that can be said about the school, so YUTEH2010 or I can probably answer any questions, but I think everyone basically understands.

I truly hope the school has learned from going to the Labor Department, this year, and changing something about their organization and structure, for the sake of the new teachers and new and continuing students.

I sincerely hope that new teachers have a better experience than many of last year's had.

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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School (裕德雙語小學)

Postby AKBAR » Tue Jul 30, 2013 13:14

I HAD THE DAILY EXPERIENCE OF FLICKING RAT SHIT OFF MY DESK AND SQUIRTING ALCOHOL ON THE AFFECTED AREA TO CLEAN IT. ALSO, I WITNESSED THE CHINESE 4TH GRADE HOMEROOM TEACHER HITTING THE STUDENT (THAT WAS TIED UP). HE WOULDN'T TRY TO HIDE IT; HE OPENLY HIT THIS STUDENT FOR ALL TO SEE DURING HIS CLASSES.

THE SCHOOL ALSO TRIED TO BULLY ONE OF THE ENGLISH TEACHERS INTO RENEWING HIS CONTRACT. HE WAS TOLD THAT EITHER HE SIGNED THE CONTRACT BY THE FOLLOWING DAY OR THE SCHOOL WOULD TAKE IT AS HIS NOTICE OF NOT WANTING TO CONTINUE. HE WAS ONLY GIVEN THE CONTRACT THE WEEK BEFORE! HE DID RETURN THE SIGNED CONTRACT BUT I’M GLAD THAT A WEEK OR TWO LATER HE GOT ANOTHER JOB AND TURNED THE TABLES AND SAID HE WOULD NOT BE CONTINUING!

THE PRINCIPAL JUST WANTS TO COPY KANG CHIAO. ALL WE EVER HEAR IS: KANG CHIAO DOES THIS, KANG CHIAO DOES THAT. THE REASON FOR THE PRINCIPAL BEING SO CONCERNED WITH KANG CHIAO IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS THAT TRANSFER OUT GO THERE.

I SERIOUSLY HOPE THE SCHOOL LEARNT THEIR LESSON IN HOW TO DEAL WITH NOT ONLY ENGLISH TEACHERS BUT WITH PEOPLE IN GENERAL. JUST REMEMBER THE MAJORITY OF THE CONTRACT YOU SIGNED WITH YUTEH IS AGAINST THE LAW, SO YOU CAN SUE THEM IF YOU HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH THEM.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE SCHOOL WILL DOUBLE FINE YOU, IF YOU GO OVER YOUR 14DAY SICK LEAVE LIMIT, NOT ONLY WILL THEY CHARGE YOU FOR A SUB BUT WILL ALSO DOCK YOUR PAY 3,000! WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW.

ALSO, THE SCHOOL CAN'T FINE YOU OR DEDUCT YOUR PAY IF YOU BREAK THE CONTRACT. THEY STATE THAT THEY WILL DO THIS. ALL YUTEH IS ALLOWED TO DO, IS REQUEST RECRUITMENT FEE PAYMENTS, THEY CAN'T TAKE IT. IF YOU DON’T AGREE WITH HOW MUCH THEY WANT, THEN YOU CAN REFUSE AND THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE YOU TO COURT. IF THEY DO TAKE YOUR MONEY, THEN GET YOUR ARSE TO THE COUNCIL OF LABOUR AFFAIRS.

ANOTHER POINT IN THEIR ILLEGAL CONTRACT IS THAT THEY WILL FIRE YOU IF YOU GET ILL AND CAN'T RECOVER WITHIN A MONTH. TALK ABOUT KICKING A MAN WHEN HE'S DOWN. "I HAVE YELLOW FEVER" AND NOW I’VE LOST MY JOB!

I ENJOYED TEACHING AT THE SCHOOL BUT I DIDN’T ENJOY WORKING THERE, SO MY ADVICE TO FUTURE TEACHERS AT THE SCHOOL, KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN AND KEEP PARENTS HAPPY. THEN YOU CAN ENJOY THE MODERN CLASSROOMS (EXCLUDING THE BLACKBOARD) AND CARE-FREE STYLE OF TEACHING AS LONG AS YOU GIVE STUDENTS MORE THAN 70% LOL
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School in Tucheng (裕德雙語小學)

Postby channamasala » Fri Aug 02, 2013 16:56

Hey Akbar,

The story is valuable here, but it's a bit hard to read with the ALL CAPS.
"So it's true. You work with your FEEEEEEE-males. Arm them. YOU FORCE THEM TO WEAR CLOTHING! Sickening."
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Postby Dr. Nemesis » Fri Aug 02, 2013 17:23

just want to say that Yuteh was not the only school to go to Brisbane this summer. There is an exchange thingy which sends kids to different cities each year (and costs stupid $$$) and targets students from the private high schools. My previous place of employment being one.
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School in Tucheng (裕德雙語小學)

Postby channamasala » Fri Aug 02, 2013 17:27

Dr. Nemesis wrote:just want to say that Yuteh was not the only school to go to Brisbane this summer. There is an exchange thingy which sends kids to different cities each year (and costs stupid $$$) and targets students from the private high schools. My previous place of employment being on.


Yuteh's also not the only school where "the school looks after itself, not the teachers", "the school doesn't want to hear any opinions from the teachers", "the school hires foreign teachers because they can make money, but doesn't actually want them" and "the school cares about the parents, not the teachers or quality of learning"! I could name several schools off the top of my head with that attitude. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever even heard of a private school/buxiban in Taiwan who would side with teachers over parents or who would care more about educating kids than happy parents who pay up to renew. Some schools do genuinely care about teachers as long as the teachers' needs don't conflict with the school's best interests.

But it still sounds pretty awful.
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School in Tucheng (裕德雙語小學)

Postby Dr. Nemesis » Fri Aug 02, 2013 17:34

channamasala wrote:
Dr. Nemesis wrote:just want to say that Yuteh was not the only school to go to Brisbane this summer. There is an exchange thingy which sends kids to different cities each year (and costs stupid $$$) and targets students from the private high schools. My previous place of employment being on.


Yuteh's also not the only school where "the school looks after itself, not the teachers", "the school doesn't want to hear any opinions from the teachers", "the school hires foreign teachers because they can make money, but doesn't actually want them" and "the school cares about the parents, not the teachers or quality of learning"! I could name several schools off the top of my head with that attitude. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever even heard of a private school/buxiban in Taiwan who would side with teachers over parents or who would care more about educating kids than happy parents who pay up to renew. Some schools do genuinely care about teachers as long as the teachers' needs don't conflict with the school's best interests.

But it still sounds pretty awful.

That wasn't what I meant and i'd agree with all those points (some of which could be leveled at my previous place of employment). Just saying that the Brisbane trip was attended by other schools, nothing more.
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School in Tucheng (裕德雙語小學)

Postby TainanCowboy » Fri Aug 02, 2013 17:41

You people (engrish teechurs) put up with some real shit.....why?
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School in Tucheng (裕德雙語小學)

Postby channamasala » Fri Aug 02, 2013 17:42

Dr. Nemesis wrote:
channamasala wrote:
Dr. Nemesis wrote:just want to say that Yuteh was not the only school to go to Brisbane this summer. There is an exchange thingy which sends kids to different cities each year (and costs stupid $$$) and targets students from the private high schools. My previous place of employment being on.


Yuteh's also not the only school where "the school looks after itself, not the teachers", "the school doesn't want to hear any opinions from the teachers", "the school hires foreign teachers because they can make money, but doesn't actually want them" and "the school cares about the parents, not the teachers or quality of learning"! I could name several schools off the top of my head with that attitude. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever even heard of a private school/buxiban in Taiwan who would side with teachers over parents or who would care more about educating kids than happy parents who pay up to renew. Some schools do genuinely care about teachers as long as the teachers' needs don't conflict with the school's best interests.

But it still sounds pretty awful.

That wasn't what I meant and i'd agree with all those points (some of which could be leveled at my previous place of employment). Just saying that the Brisbane trip was attended by other schools, nothing more.


I know! :smile: I'm just adding on, not trying to take away.
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Re: Yuteh Private Bilingual School in Tucheng (裕德雙語小學)

Postby channamasala » Fri Aug 02, 2013 17:53

TainanCowboy wrote:You people (engrish teechurs) put up with some real shit.....why?


I don't know and I don't think anyone should. I don't think unionizing is going to happen anytime soon, although it might be a good idea (and would benefit teachers)...but this sort of crap is why I quit my otherwise really good job in "corporate training" (teaching English in a suit to Important People for higher pay). With no boss, nobody can treat me like crap.

My own (former) employer regularly...well, I could go on and on about how terrible they are, but I won't. I'm not even sure where I'd start, from forcing Taiwanese admin staff to attend Buddhism classes at night to lying to purposely fudging paperwork to threatening and even filing bullshit lawsuits against leaving teachers (not me - they're a bit scared of me) to being suspected of nabbing Facebook and email passwords from any teacher using their office computers...to publicly insulting most of us at the "spring banquet" to saying horribly inappropriate things especially to female teachers, like "you shouldn't divorce your husband, all men play around but it doesn't mean he doesn't love you, as a woman it's your job to forgive him".

And that's just the summary!

So...I can't say I'm surprised. Yu-teh here sounds like a doozy but it's hardly unique.
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